The Great Nothing: The Months Before World of Warcraft Cataclysm

Few things inspire a fierce foaming of MMORPG nerd rage than the following image:


Many people who play the amazingly expensive and time consuming MMORPG World of Warcraft are keenly aware of the coming expansion; Cataclysm. Upon release the face of Azeroth will be forever changed to reflect the destructive explosion of explosively destructiony doom that the evil doom dragon of doomy doom DOOOOOOM Deathwing shall bring to the world. With a higher level cap, new quest zones, new races, and new race/class combos there is a huge bit of MMORPG ahead of the fans of the series but the question becomes...What the hell do you do until it is released? This article isn't about how awesome Cataclysm may or may not be, nor is it about the myriad features that have been and will be introduced as a result of it. No my friends, this is all about the terrible doldrums of the pre-expansion blues. I'm going to tackle each of the key issues that guilds, players and marmosets face in the twilight of an expansion and try and figure out why it seems worse this time around.

Blizzcon 2010 - A Holy Wrapup

This year's Blizzcon has come and gone. Gone... Like a fart in the wind. But it's more like one of those lingering farts. You know, the ones that you still kinda smell even though you've left the room? And even when you walk down the hall, you're kinda like "Man... Was that broccoli?" Blizzcon is a special place for gamers, especially for us here at the Report. For you see, we have all been to at least one of the Blizzcons in the past years. And all of us are big Blizzard fans(If you haven't noticed.) I think all of us like AT LEAST two of the three Blizzard games. I say that because I'm not a fan of Diablo. But that's for another post. This year, unfortunately, I could only afford to purchase the livestream version. The whole being stuck on a tiny island in the pacific with minimal disposable income played a small factor. Bew hew. Tiny violins aside, I'm still glad I was able to watch it.

As always, Blizzard has put their signature franchises out on display. It's a time for Blizzard teams to /flex their creative muscle, and generate buzz about their crazy going ons. Blizzcon also gives the public a chance to feel like they're more connected to Blizzard and getting to see many of the faces behind the games. To be a part of the experience that is Blizzard Entertainment. But for the most part it's a chance for nerds of all facets to do the following:

1. See hawt women dressed in Blizzard Cosplay.
2. Ask dumb questions to the development team.
3. Convince themselves that they're not as big of a loser as the guy sitting next to them.
4. Try to lay in their best World of Warcraft pickup lines at random women.
5. Drink heavily with other nerds that you would normally yell at over ventrilo.
6.  Eating main hall kiosk ice cream while intoxicated.

Alright alright, not everyone does that. But come on now, there's a lot of people that did. Number 6 was both hilarious and fun. Heh heh heh. There's always something for someone at Blizzcon. For us at the Holynub Report, it was mainly the panels. What's next for our beloved Blizzard games? Ohhh the suspense!

World of Warcraft: Tier 11 Raid Gear

Oh boy oh boy oh boy!  It's time for some Cataclysm previews!  Well..  More of them.  Looks like the folks at MMO champ have thrown up a bunch of previews of the new raiding tier gear.  Lets have a look shall we?

Death Knight

Woah.  This is some bad ass armor.  I mean... Look at it.  It's all fiery and shit.  Goddamn, that's got Death Fucking Knight written all over it.  Is that a fucking crown?  By god.  It's like you're the goddamn Lich King.  These are awesome!

World of Warcraft: A DAY THAT SHALL LIVE IN INFAMY

Remember remember, 

the 7th of December.  

That is the day, 

Holy's life goes away.  

...

And Wier...  

Possibly Loke too...  

....

But not Thordyn.

...

He's a big ol' douche.  

-By Holynub

Alright, poems aside, we have a release date for World of Warcraft's next Expansion, CATACLYSM.  See what I did there?  I put it in caps because it's like I'm yelling.  Yes my fellows and that single woman that actually uses the internet, you heard me correct.  World of Warcraft Cataclysm will be released on December 7th, 2010(Confirmed by Blizzard).  Coincidentally, that's also coincides with the anniversary of the Bombing of Perl Harbor.  

This should totally be photo-shopped into a Cataclysm poster

But what does it all mean?!  WHAT DOES IT MEAAAAANN!?!?(Double rainbow zomg)  It means that it's time to fire up that grinding playlist and be ready to sink at least half the week into playing World of Warcraft.  Pack your shit guys!  We gotta get to 85!  Lets go go go!  Gotta move gotta move!  Can't just sit there in Dalran all day, there's shit to be done! 

And shit has been done too.

With every big patch for World of Warcraft, the game is basically reset.  Many fundamentals of the game are altered in a mind blowing experience where the goods get frustrated and the bads get worse.  Lets throw out some of the "bigger" things that will be happening in Cataclysm

Arcane Mage DPS

While we were trying to 4 man AQ40, I came across this new chart that I'm sure Holy will appreciate.

Holy Strat: Sindragosa

Alright.... We already killed the dragon.  BUT STILL.  I finished it like. 2 hours before we did...  goddamnit.  Anyway, if your guild hasn't killed Sindragosa.  You can use my video for reference.  Kinda.  But not really.

Raid night shenanigans!

 Ahoy!

WOOH!  Guess what!  It's farm night!  Yayyyyyyyyy.  Man.  I love farm nights.  You can just do stupid shit, and there's a 98% chance that it won't suck as bad as progression nights.  You get loots, it's easy because people know what the fuck is going on.  Yeah it's old content.  But hey, it's a good time to dick around with different things. 

Please ignore the fact that this Blood DK is dual wielding. KTHXBAI

You know what, I'm gonna go as a Blood DK tonight.  YEAH!  FUCK UNHOLY DK's.  Yeah, I said it.  Fuck them and their dumbass ghouls and gargoyles and shit.  Bone armor?  More like BONED armor am i rite?  I hate having to spec unholy.  Them and their snobby top raid dps capabilities.  Bullshit, I want to be mediocre!  HURRAH!  Who wants to see lots of Heart strikes!?  Cammaaaannnn.  Yeah, I'm doin it.  IT IS DONE.

Anyone else find this picture badass?  Cuz I do.

Ahhh.  Oh yeah.  I also got PEGGLE!  So Bejeweled is riding the bench for a bit.  I got a new hotness to burn the time we take sitting around giving out buffs.  Which is roughly 13 mins a pull on progression nights.  I've timed it.  Now I can duel with other people's balls, plink balls off of stuff, I can even make my balls more talented.  And then I'll play peggle.  Add this to the list of things I can do during raid to wipe us. 

Well to watch all the shenanigans just tune into my raid stream.  Raid starts at 9:00pm Pacific Standard Time.  You know the link: http://www.holynub.com/2010/02/more-holynub-raid-streams.html

 

More Holynub Raid Streams!

 Reinforcements have arrived

So while I was out signing my autographs to my millions of fans, some peoples was liek, "Oh plx Mr. Holynub sir.  How can I be as awesome as you are?"  And i'm like, "You can't.  But you can get your own live stream." But nawwww, i asked for help.  I didn't think it was fair to everyone to only see my awesomeness.  I believe that other players must watch the raid from different perspectives.  That way they can see my awesome in more angles.  Switch to healer, BAM! Holynub is awesome.  Switch to MT, BAM!  Look at that sexy holynub.  Aww yeah.

/shrug

Without further self-promoting, here are the streams!
Satellite Guild Raid Schedule:
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
9:00PM - 12:00AM PST


HOLYNUB(The great)- http://www.xfire.com/live_video/holynub/

Glorf(The australian) - http://www.xfire.com/live_video/glorf12/ - Having Lag issues

Laurewen(The tree) - http://www.xfire.com/live_video/relientkitten/

Soon to come:
Gell(The borked) - (he fixing things)

Come raid with us raid!

ZOMG Armory Updated!

What is this?!  WHAT IS THIS?!  Looks like the armory got an update.  Wooohhh, it's got some cool thingies.  Lets see.  Gonna put our RSS on the side here.  Wooh 3D profile.  Lets try this one out.



Hooo man.  That's pretty slick.  I look soo bad ass.  Lets see herr.  What else what else.  Wooh i can change poses, and animations on the model.  Hey look, i'm playing with myself. ...  Wait...   Not like that.  Anyway, pretty kewl!

You're watching Nub TV, the nubbiest tv around!

I'm workin on it damnut!

Well, i guess some people already know.  I'm gonna just broadcast my world of warcraft antics on my xfire account.  So those that want to check out what kind of shennanigans I'm up to, tune in to the Holynub stream on xfire.  You can count on seeing all of the Satellite guild raids I attend/participate/goof.  I'll also be broadcasting all the shennanigans on dragonblight.  Just check the twitter feed, and i'll post when the channel is live.  Yes... Yes I am making you look at teh twitter....

Watch Holynub raid!

Happy new years blah blah blah, lets get dis started.  Well. I have installed many a new stupid thing for the public entertainment.  I present.  RAIDING WITH HOLY!  AAhhhahahhahahahahahhahahaa.  Ha..  Watch how awesomely i die and pull aggroes and do other stupid things.  join me will you?

http://www.xfire.com/live_video/holynub

WoW: Look at this baddie

Ohhh Blizzard.  How you do things to us.  For every + there's always at least 3 -'s.  In patch 3.3, we were all introduced to the Random Dungeon and cross realm instancing system.  And it works pretty well.  Makes finding a group a hell of a lot easier.  Just click, then click, then BOOM! Instance.  Well... Depending on your class you may have to wait a bit(I'm tankin right now so INSTA-QUEUE FOR ME! EAT IT!  EAT IT LIKE A CHOCOLATE CUPCAKE!).  Anyway, with this nice new convenient feature there are some problems.  Namely, BADDIES.  By god, you get some real winners when you use this system.  They have some mystical pull-rabbit-out-of-urethra algorithm that matches people with "appropriate" gear levels to join certain instances.  Yeahhh....  They might want to make sure the player isn't riding the short bus.

Ok, I'll admit it.  I was a baddie once.  Back before I L2P, I had some pretty retarded choices for gears and stuff.  BUT!  I could make semi-logically reasoned statments for my gear choice(Other than IT DROPPED I WANTS!).  Then I learned, I studied, and I researched.  I went to forums and said, Hmmm what do I need to do when I want to do this?  Or, what kind of gear is appropriate for that?  Yes, there are differing opinions for everything, but at least they point you in a direction of "INTELLIGENCE."  I L2P'd GODDAMNUT. 

So, I've used the system a lot.  I got my perky pug and still run random instances just to get more badges.  Usually kek and pops run with me and we can basically get through most instances even if the other two dps are bads.  However, today we encountered a bad that was SOOO outrageous, I got a facepalm that my grandchildren will feel.  And it wasn't just because he was bad, it was because he was bad in such a way that made everyone want to nutpunch this SoB.  He was SOOO TERRIBLE, that he's getting a post and starting a new section of our blog overhaul.  LOOK AT THIS BADDIE.

It first started with him doing less then stellar DPS.  And I said, huh.  Somethin's not right.  Kek said "Holy fuckin shit.  Check this guy's gear out."  So inbetween pulls I checked his inventory.  First thing I saw:

Limb Regeneration Bracers

Now.  That's not so bad.  I mean, it happens.  Hey it's the only epic he could find.  Intellect isn't so bad for a hunter.  I mean, it does give them some ap...  Larger mana pool?  Yeah that helps...  I guess...  There's some haste on there too.  Spellpower for arcane shot lawl?  Surely, there must be some logical reason for this piece...  Maybe i'm just being too much of a dick.  So then I continue to check... 

The Prospector's Prize

Ok ok... This isn't THAT bad...  I mean.. It has hit.  And haste...  Int isn't THAT bad for hunters... Larger mana pool again?  Cammannn.  Maybe he's just usin whatever he can get...  It's still a blue item vs a green item....

Offering of Sacrifice

WTF...  Ok... MAYYYYYBE he didn't do any of the quests in Northrend.   MAYBE.  MAYYYYYBEEE he didn't see that the Death Knight's Anguish that you pickup in Borean Tundra far surpasses this... MAYYYYYBEEEE he didn't do any quests in northrend that give you a trinket...  MAYYYYYBEEEEE he's saving up for the badge one....  Surely he's not that retarded right?  Oh heyyy, look he's got his ItemLevel 245 shoulders.  He must be doing something right.

 

Epaulets of the Devourer

Ookk.... Ummm.... Uhhh...  Arcane shot lawl?

Amulet of Wills

I... Armor?  Maybe for more survivabillity?  Alright alright.  I'm just making up excuses already.  

Gloves of Dark Exile

ALRIGHT.  DONE.  THIS GUY IS A BADDIE.  Fucking parry rating?!  REALLY?  I would really love to hear this guy's fucking explanation on why the fuck he chose some of this gear.  Fucking, it aint that hard!  Hey, we have this thing called GOOGLE.  And you TYPE SHIT INTO IT.  Like "HUNTER WORLD OF WARCRAFT HOW DOES."  OH THERE!  Jesus.  Check one of the 11 FUCKING MILLION PAGES.  YOU DONT EVEN NEED TO LEAVE THE FIRST PAGE.  Goddamnit... Baddie.

Because it's appropo

aI was totally not doing work at the office. When I saw this article. And I pooped myself in laughter. Because i haven't been postin shit, might as well read somethin from someone.

The story so far...

Alright! Alright! I get it, i haven't posted in a long ass time. Mah bad! Been busy raidin. Pretty much life consists of work, food, sleep, and pug raids. Occasionally i get to go out and do stuff. But mainly raid. Last time i posted, we had a bunch of alts that were on the way to 80. Here's how far we got.

Wonderbread - 80 - geared enough to run pretty much all end game content as ret/holy/prot.
Holynub - 80 - Just hit 80. Ghetto gear
Sendou - 80 - Tank gear is pretty good. Can handle as a Naxx tank. DPS gear is lacking.
Hikoa - 73 - Just got him to dalaran for JC stuff.
Puinsai - 80 - Epic gear. Naxx worthy
Upolu - 80 - Basically pop's main raiding toon. Naxx cleared. gear good. but still needs a few pieces.
Bakatare - 80 - Some gear. DPS is rather low. pops mainly uses druid to farm.
Kekuhaupio - 80 - Primarily Nax10 tank gear. More than capable of Nax25. DPS gear is decent.
Kahokunui - 80 - Kek's new DPS toon. He rips shit up.
Kukailimoku - 73 - Grinded up a bit... but kinda stopped caring.
Yosemitesam - 70 - Yup.. Aint touchin this for a LONG time.

And there we have it folks!

Ohhhhhhh Yeeeeaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

Wowhead test!

Alrighty then. In my quest to make this site more shpiffy, i'm gonna use this post to try and see if i can get that goddamn wowhead tooltip thingy to work.
Broken I.W.I.N. Button
SUCCESS!

WOW the destroyer of worlds

It seems like the article about WoW making people flunk out of college (the original, not ours) has garnered attention from some fellow bloggers. A particular favorite of mine Bannable Offenses decided to chime in. I really love his blog and read it regularly. It's an interesting comedic look into the world from the other side of the monitor glass, the GMs. Now, I can relate. I was actually Lead GM for a now Debunct Korean MMORPG called Ferentus. I was known only by my forum avatar which was a picture of Ukyo from Samurai showdown and the alias Avarice.

ALL ABOARD THE SUBJECT DERAIL TRAIN!!! OH SHIT! THE TRAIN IS DERAILING! HOLY OBVIOUS SUBTEXT BATMAN!

So on a side note, I was looking online for any remnants of this game on the internet and found this gem in the link provided.

"Each civilization may make various alliances or conflicts, and overall soil themselves in the world of Ferentus."

WTF!?? overall soil themselves? Are they wearing overalls? Are they just being really thorough about the soiling? Does the land of Rog have a gastroenterological crisis on their hands or more acurately in their overalls? Seriously, who writes this shit? No wonder no one played that game. I wouldn't play something either if I was told there was a chance that I WOULD LOSE CONTROL OF MY BOWELS.

Dude 1: hey man I just got the new copy of Call of Duty: World at War, it's so awesome it'll make you shit yourself.
Dude 2: Awesome man! So it's intense huh?
Dude 1: yeah it's really intense. The collector's edition comes with this urban camo diaper.
Dude 2: ...
Dude 1: oh look and there is the logo.
Dude 2: Wait, wait, wait, you actually shit yourself?
Dude 1: Yeah man, it's like this weird accidental thing kinda like the brown noise but for interactive entertainment. They stumbled on it while they were developing. Oh man and there is 4 player multiplayer... kinda... with 2 xboxes.
Dude 2: Fuck that shit. I am outtie.
Dude 1: Where you going man? Dude, I totally got you your own diaper!!! It's not like we'd have to share!

Anyway, what was I saying? Oh yeah Bannable Offenses, posted some shit on the same topic and I danced and giggled like a little school girl. Granted I didn't have to dress up like one, but I feel it really added to the mood.

visual approximation

So yeah... WoW is making kids drop out of college? That is nothing, the MMORPG I worked for apparently made people shit themselves. Fuck you FCC, get your priorities straight. Oh btw, this unpleasant trip down memory lane has inspired me to recount my horrendous horror stories in a segment I am going to call TRUE LIFE: I WAS A MMORPG GM or Ban Stick of Epic Retribution: the life of a MMORPG GM.

Anyway, props to Bannable Offenses. You are teh pwnage. I mean the guy feeds people that make stupid petitions to his dragon. You have no idea how much I wish I thought of that.

DING!

This will be the official Holynub Report Ding post. Feel free to tell teh world. You dingied. LETS GET TO WORK PEOPLE!

Progress:
Wonderbread(US-Dragonblight)- 80 11/23/2008 RRIIINNGG DINNNG DONNNGG!
Thordyn -enhancement shaman- (US-Alleria) - 80 11/27/08 Thanksgiv-DING!!!!!
Thordynn -retribution paladin (US-Alleria)- 71 12/01/08 Dingbat!!!
Thorgasmic -deathknight- (US-Alleria) -58 DING! Created 11/21/08

EDIT: WTF? What's with all the thor-stuff names? Holy original batman.

RE: EDIT: my first character was named Thorden, after reading about a supposedly real person named Thorden Longbeard. The character is a dwarf with a really long beard and I wanted to use maces, the name kinda fit. Everyone calls me thor in /G so I just went with it. Also, we had a DK naming thread and they demanded I name my DK Thorgasm, which was taken so I named him Thorgasmic.

P.S. I actually did come up with it on my own, but realized later that it is infact one of the randomly generated names. I am currently in the process of going through all the servers and killing each of them. There can be only one THORDEN!!!

Edit again: What's this!? Where's you pally leveling!?

RE Edit again: I am not leveling my pally yet, I switched my main to an enhancement shaman.
Who will be the Ding King? Only time will tell.
EDIT REPLY: Enh Shaman? Quitter!
RE: Edit Reply: I was tired of healing. Wanted to try something new.

IT WAS ME! BITCHES!

zomg you haxxored it!!! grats man!!! I haz also dinged.

World of Lovecraft

As I sit here clicking on people's names in this little grid box and pressing 2 on my keyboard, I begin to slip into the stream of World of Warcraft subconscious and ponder philosophical meanings of things related to WoW.

I'ma castin mah healan!

I'm a healer. DUH. It's like the Mystery Men movie. I'd be like the shoveler except it's like. "I'm the healer. I heal well." I got my priest, pally, druid, shaman all capable of healing specs. Granted the priest and pally are well more geared for it, but they're all gee too gee. Some people out there might be thinking, "WTF is wrong with this guy? Who the hell likes to not kill things and do big damage. Healing?! How boring is that. NOOB." And to those people, I'll remember that. When i'm not healing you and letting you get a 50g repair bill. OHhh not doing so great DPS when you're dead now are you? Or maybe I'll let you sit at about 10% and let you crap your pants and listen to your feeble pleas for salvation by my GLORIOUS HEALS! BUWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!!!! TEH POWAH! TEEEHHH POOOWWWAAAAHHHHHRRRRRARGBALLALLFALFJDJFKLA!!!!

Make love, not warcraft

I thought about this one time. When i was screaming on vent solo healing a tank during some 40 man. Might have been MC, when all the healers ate shit and died and I was the lone gunman. The tank was a little disturbed afterwards. The dialouge went something like this.

Raid Leader: Crap. Holy, you're the only healer left. Keep the tank up and lets burn it down.
Me: OHHHH YEEAAAAHHHHH! LETS DO DIS!!! YOU LIKE DAT! YOU LIKE DAT!?!?!?!?!
(Then i stand up and start doing hip thrusts while healing the tank)
Me: YOU TAKE THAT HEAL! AWWW HERE COMES A BIG ONE! BOOOOOM!!!!!
Raid Warning: Boss Dead
RL: I can't belive that just fucking happened.
Tank:Please... don't do that again...
Me: Was that as good for you as it was for me?
Tank: *cries*

Boy, I needed a cigarette after that one. But this leads to my theory of the nature of healing is. It's more like "sexual healing." Sexual... HEALING BABY! Erhm. What are you doing when you're "healing" someone? You're bringing life back into them. Oh come on. You don't really think that just changing some biblical bullshit or throwing leaves actually does anything. You gotta keep that green bar up. And keep it up as long as you can. Boy... This makes healing pretty gay sounding. Unless your tank is female then it's AWWWWW YEAHHHHH. Or if you're the tank and your healer is female.... AWWWW YEAHHHH. We need more womens as tanks. Or healers. Or both. AWWWWWW YEEAAHHHHHHHH.

Me Heal You Long Time

Which then makes you think. Boy, us healers are whores. Everyone's looking for our "special services" and every group needs one. And those of us that are more... "experienced" tend to have a client list of people who like us healing them. The crappy ones are just doing it wrong. Hmmmm. Healers are prostitutes... Yeyah. I'm gonna make a guild comprised entirely of healers. And I'll be the pimp. Be like, "BITCH! What's your +Healing at?!" I could pimp out my guildies for gold. It's like, HEY! You aint at quota. Is Holynub gonna have to choke a druid?! Ahhh... That would be amazing if that actually worked.

LFM Kara Orgey

This makes every raid/instance a big orgey. Think about THAT next time you run Kara. You know that sticky feeling you get when you have a HoT on you. Yeah.. It's what you think it is. I hope you all enjoyed this demented view of WoW. This is what Holy thinks about when he's clicking on grid and healing everyone.

I AM NUB!(Wow rant)

So... I've had this thing up for a while. Haven't done a WoW post yet. Amazing. I r did a good job. BUT NOT FOR LONG!

If there's anyone that I don't know that's reading this, I play a NE priest named Holynub on Dragonblight(US) server. And I die alot. That is all. But nawwww, I r good playar.

Anyway, a canadian eh dude I know started doing a pug Hyjal a couple weeks ago. I've got minimal experience doing Hyjal. Prior I've only gone up to Anatheron and wiped on him because retards don't know how to run to the tank when they have an infernal on them. ANYWAY, so I went yesterday to see all the hubbub was about. First time i've raided on my priest in a couple months already. And it got me to thinking. Boy I love my priest.

STFU L2P

There are lots of priest cry babies online. Check the forums and you'll find all of them. Wahhhh my healing sucks. Wahh druids are better at pvp than we are. Wahhh my DPS sucks. Wahhh I specced for lightwell. Jesus. Just because we're not OP, people turn into blubbering dumbasses. Me, I like playing my priest. I can DPS, I can heal, I can tank people. I don't mind some of the weaknesses, because there are still lots of strengths. Playing a priest, it make-a me feel gewd.

OH GOD! OH GOD! SHIYAT!! I GOT AGGRO!

That be my most common phrase I say when I go shadow. No, it's not because I do lots of damage. It's because I'm a retard and I start mah pew pew waaaaaayyyyy too early. Ask my brother Kek. He'll tell ya. You know what... I take that back. That's probably the only thing i say when I'm in a group. Now that I think about it... I pull a lot of aggro. YESSSSS. I don't know why. That makes me happy. Fade? What is this "fade" you speak of? Shush! It dosn't exist! I didn't train it! I didn't spec for it.


Holynub, the other other white meat

For anyone who has raided with me, you all know I die alot. Ohhh back in the day, back when Molten Core was serious business. That was where the Holy legacy was made. Those goddamn Lava Packs. Here's an exerpt of some of the vent conversations.

...
(Raid Leader): Lets pull the lava packs. Going.
(2 secs later)
(Me): Oh crap.
(Raid Warning): Holynub has died
(Me): Using Soul Stone, I'm up.
(3 secs later)
(Me): OH GOD THE FIRE!
(Raid Warning): Holynub has died
(Raid Leader): Holy's dead, get a battle rez him
(Me): Thanks (druid name)
(3 secs later)
(Me):WOOOHHHHH!!!!
(Raid Leader):Oh goddamnit.
(Raid Warning): Holynub has died
(Raid Leader):Battle rez him
(Me): Oh please no...
...

Man, that was back before they added rez timers. Those were dark times. And by dark, I mean expensive.